This week Oliver interviews Josh Whale, the founder/CEO of Ampersand, basedin Rwanda. This is a story that we've wanted to bring our listeners formore than two years - ever since we first heard that there was a teamtrying to build their own full stack motorbike and battery swappinghardware and software in one of the world's most underserved mobilitymarkets. We're excited that it shows the adoption of micromobility inmarkets purely on the basis of its economic merits, and helps developlow-carbon pathways to mobility market growth.Specifically they talk about:- How Josh, a New Zealander, ended up in Rwanda building electricmotorbikes.- What is Ampersand and how their growth has tracked so far.- Why micromobility matters for countries like Rwanda.- How they source vehicles, why they chose to go to route of building theirown and what has worked/not worked.- Over time, might they build a Gojek style application for Ampersand- How have they managed to fund the operation to date and what have theylearnt in that process- what are the unit economics like in Rwanda for motorbike taxi operators,and how Ampersand improves this- What the scene for local indigenous vehicle production is like in Rwandaand surrounding countries- What Josh would like people to know about the micromobility scene inRwanda